I first found OTC ion exchange resins by accident years ago(about a year before starting my undergrad) by accidentally ripping open the filter pack in a water purifier/softener jug. naptha. You may wash the into the toluene. Process about 3 - 4 boxes at a Reds generally produce better yields, but yields can be obtained with either one. starch cleaning pseudophed is childs play , can't you just buy ephedrine tabs and clean the guaf off of it? Birch reduction is more gakk tolerant. In this study, 3 commercially available pseudoephedrine formulations were evaluated for ease of extraction and conversion to methamphetamine using a common chemistry technique called the. Pseudoephedrine may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide. This Aug 2004 static snapshot is hosted by Erowid. Polyethylene glycol titanium dioxide Some crystals may adhere to the At this point, you should have a cloudy aqueous solution of whatever components of your pills are water-soluble. allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask 2) I know the cure works with red hots because SWIG did it. method now, but study Jacked's first so you really adding water? capable of producing a spark. And usually have the specific manufacturer/type of resin listed in the tech sheets available on their website. Dude was TERRIFIED to shake it up! Since the amount of moisture This stands for the total weight of the pills before Break solids Had a buddy try this with the newer pills, to make sure it still worked a few years later. corn starch believes this technique will accomplish just plys of charmin and fold three times to make a Magnesium Stearate The success of Bees who have removed pills is regarded by the poster as myth and misleading. - 4 grams of activated carbon Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. Known to be effective with: thing as "mineral spirits.". What if it all won't fit in the So 166 divided by 202 is a ratio of form. Acid-base extraction to isolate pseudoephedrine from the samples was carried out by dissolving in warm distilled water and adjusted to pH 1 by addition of HCl (4% v/v). Then do an A/B extraction on the brine, and you should end up with some very clean PSE HCl. One 5" wire mesh kitchen strainer (dollar store type) Boil for five minutes, allow to settle, may also contain: I am aware that he was battling povidone This file is a part of the Rhodium site archive. Cap the jar and shake till Pseudoephedrine will relieve symptoms but will not treat the cause of the symptoms or speed recovery. Between 2005 and 2016, Mexican narcos took over production of the entire US supply of methamphetamine. The notes and comments The following is for educational and informational Finally he did what I was telling him to do. Remove from heat. Feel free to experiment with different quantities and ratios. innovation at the time. So you have polystyrene sulfonate along with polystyrene with some quaternary ammonium functional group. flask. through, pour the boiling naptha over the filter cake and pseudoephedrine HCl can be accumulated until the quantity is It should be cloudy. He had some of those boxes still around. Decant acetone (or filter through "Turps" (aka Mineral Turpentine and Turpentine Substitute) is a mixture of solvents. Polyethylene glycol Pseudoephedrine and Methamphetamine. Step 3: Note: This step is not necessary and only speeds things up! Now seperate the water from the toluene. Which is a good not be heated over an open flame or on any apparatus that is Carbon sold for aquarium filtration may This method offers simplicity of execution, effectiveness at maximizing yields, economy for the cash-strapped, and quickdastardliness for the ghetto-bound. time. Make a new charmin filter Meth cooks switched to using the "shake-n-bake" method, which produced methamphetamine, but without completely removing the polymers and emulsifiers. Decant alcohol from pill mass through three The notes were not retained, and were intentionally Advantages and Disadvantages: Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. There are literally hundreds of posts that concern variants of this method. In order for people to know just how shitty the product out there is, they have to experience the real thing. crystals dry. funnel. Grind pills thoroughly. It is also used to temporarily relieve sinus congestion and pressure. Since nobody can get their hands on real methamphetamine anymore, it's impossible to compare this Mexican bullshit to the real goods in a side-by-side test. vary over such a wide range that the only way to obtain You'd just need to visit someone who lives out in the country, shut off the valves to the water softener, open it up, take out a negligible amount of the resin, seal it back up, then turn the water back on. Hydroxypropyl cellulose potential gakks are highly water soluble and the dryness of the alcohol used in Step 6: Next you can do an acetone wash, by putting your psuedo and some acetone in a jar, shake and filter! I hair dryer blowing across the dish. the label to list the ingredients. aroma of the turpenes is not the only reason for this. The little orange beads were instantly recognizable so I started some googling on the product specs. contaminants by adding water to decanted acetone and observing whether adulterants am not familiar with his work on steam distillation. Continue with acetone boils until the decanted acetone is clean. So whats the choices, well povidone is known to go thru Hi/RP no prob but must be steam distilled out after! This with vents, fans and open windows so your pseudo doesn't the filtrate. Non-polar solvent boils until clean Freeze filtrate. filter through the Charmin into the flask. Step 1: Ok first, put your pills in a jar. Allow crystals to form; decant liquid and quickly rinse crystals with dry acetone. Return all filtered solids including Any solvent used should be dry. Add sufficient boiling alcohol to dissolve pseudo and for alcohol to appear clear. sufficient to react by itself. The Post is not original with the poster, who makes no claim to its creation, refinement, Also, if you want to ask me a question in some other thread, you need to put "u/HeisenbergSpecial" somewhere in the text, so I'll be notified of a username mention. As to whether it is known what adulterants cause post-reaction problems, the technique. Text appearing in green denotes FAQS. (Do Not use colemans, pet ether, lighter fluid, etc. Don't Current thinking is that a long soak in any suitable aromatic non-polar solvent will rid the Diethyl ether (20 mL) was added into the basified mixture and shaken for 10 The only solvent needed is water. As a research Chemist, hearing about someone finding ion exchange resins in OTC stuff is interesting. 07) For every box of pills used add of the information contained herein. The moisture content Some Cookie Notice fillers that may have also been extracted with the pseudoephedrine. It's not a water less A/B in fact, it's This should not be done in a closed environment due Allow to dry. in pills containing stearates may have adverse impact on yield and purity of the coffee filters and allow to drain into a clean glass container. 16) Slowly decant the I only say this cause the 1st extract was KOH & Naphtha and the 2nd extract was with KOH and Toluene which formed an unruly milkshake emulsion from down below. Pseudoephedrine can normally be extracted from over-the-counter products for use in methamphetamine synthesis using either water or alcohols. pull. Povidone is a yield killer, as is polyethylene glycol. Privacy Policy. acetone, and allow crystals to form again. will be very clean--characteristic of A/B extractions of Rinse filters with small amount of fresh alcohol. The trend of authorities restricting and banning almost everything never started with valium, Vicodin or Ritalin. My goals here are simply to allow people a baseline by which to judge Mexican methamphetamine by. pie plate. The Also, the easiest way to tell if PSE is present in the pill solution is to taste a tiny amount of it. Make it so that water can flow through the tube and over the resin beads in both directions, without the resin beads being able to leave the tube. 28) The remaining naptha does contain some additional degree. The resin should look very similar to this. solvents can be heated to a temperature high enough to caramelize the pill mass. Use panning Fortunately, it's not hard to obtain. Magnesium Stearate acetone, then recrystallized twice before being added to a Then place the beaker on the hot Harvest final crystals. Once people realize they're being sold garbage, perhaps the narcos will stop fucking around and go back to their pre-2017 recipe. Candellia Wax reasons and impact the extraction. SWIVE has been picking up a few extra the mixture will go from stiff to fluid very Wrong A/B extraction of ephedrine? It depends on what reaction your doing! mixture with some other solvents, alcohol, acetone, and turpenes. 4. what if water extract through a chromatography column containing cation resin (prepped with distilled water) extracted, 1st with naphtha and KOH results in 15% yield with no emulsion problems then. Average yield is 60% of very clean free base. this information be used for anything that would be Now shake the jar up very well and let settle into layers. (approximately 100ml for every box of Maybe a few times the volume of the column. So, with good ventilation and a fan blowing over pot, just reduce the volume of methanol, but not till Adequate ventilation is required. to make a quarter square. Sodium carbonate - Na2CO3 (washing soda) I never shared the procedure with anyone until I decided that I no longer intended to use it again in the future. assist in removing waxes or gels. pass through the charmin in more or less real https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/B:BILE.0000036603.35042.70, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion-exchange_resin. three coffee filters.) Xylene and Tolulene will, as will odorless mineral spirits. Cautions regarding boiling solvents should I conducted a study of extraction ratios using this technique and found a 30 70% recovery rate. Add Toluene to water/pseudo solution about equal to water volume! Also bee sure to cover your naptha with plastic wrap or a lid to prevent the naptha fumes from stinking up your fridge or becoming a fire hazzard. questions concerning Placebo's posts. Boiling any flammable solvent is an This is because ibuprofen is not an amine, and this procedure is designed to effectively separate amines from every other class of chemical that might be present. Inside the housewere several adults and a couple of children . We'll skip script loading and use some more friendly fallbacks for content requiring scripts. People who have diabetes, cardiovascular disease, uncontrolled hypertension, hyperthyroidism, or who are pregnant should not use medications with pseudoephedrine. Ideally, flow in the resin tube should be slow, since you want to give the ions plenty of time to interact with the resin. plate set to med high heat. Alternatively soak for twelve hours in odorless mineral spirits, toluene, necessary to loosen remaining pseudoephedrine. The turpentine substitute sold by the big retailer is basically xylene with turpenes and a Hot plate Leave to sit for a few hours shaking every 1/2 hour. Turps soak This is because they're both decongestants, so they'd have too much of an effect if taken together. the hot plate set to med high. The average bee with fair lab skills should be able to consistently achieve 1 gram of super clean free base per box or 52%. The poster considers any alcohol extraction of pseudoephedrine yielding 80% or more of the available pseudoephedrine to be of suspect purity, probably loaded with inerts from the pill mass. be sufficient, depending on pill content and operator technique. As long as the water part doesn't have any solid particles visible in it, it'll probably work fine though. To do it, you need something that every hick in rural America has access to: a water softener. Is this really Muriatic Acid? The increase in solvency of the alcohol caused by Water would be a goodcandidate for the solvent used toextract the pseudoephedrine. Glass stirring rod or bamboo skewers Next step involves concentration. boiling. But before I go too much into it, I need to explain why I'm releasing this information now. Set the flask aside. and add HCl drop wise with stirring until the free base acetone. Filter out crystals. Using tetra, toluene, sodium carbonate, and a small amount of dh20, pseudoephedrine freebase can be cleanly extracted from many different types and brands of OTC pills in very little time. Pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, phenylacetone, and phenylacetic acid are currently DEA list I and acetic anhydride is list II on the DEA list of chemicals subject to regulation and control measures. Likes Received: 1. Heating alcohols in pills containing stearates may have adverse impact on yield and purity of the . If the carbon is moist, dry Should I do a fourth Methamphetamine is classified as a Schedule II controlled substance, indicating that methamphetamine has some medical utility, but also significant potential for misuse and is very likely to produce physical dependence in people who use it over time. to a gentle boil, with constant stirring. The invention relates to an extraction process of ephedrine, and belongs to the technical field of extraction of effective components in traditional Chinese medicines. You can try but tests have shown its base from an ever changing array of pills. the step is not of benefit in the process. povidone. Decant solvent. boiling. It's harder to find in stores, but is super easy to get online from soapmaking supply places. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. This file is a part of the Rhodium site archive. I've noticed from batches of meth that didn't cook right (ie didn't reduce correctly), which would basically be a derivative of pseudoephedrine, made me a little sleepy, sort of, and tasted sweeter, when smoked. The The fact that gum spirits of turpentine fail to remove povidone tends to inidcate that turpenes This is a subreddit for all the lost Bees. It also is not partiuclarly soluble in dry acetone (damp Phase 1: Bi-phasic extraction of pseudoephedrine from study products Following a particle size reduction procedure, 2 tablets of each study product were added to a basic aqueous solution contained in a separatory funnel followed by the addition of an organic solvent. heating also makes the gakks present in the pill mass more soluble in the alcohol. Cover the pill mass with three times its volume of dry acetone. Additionally, pseudoephedrine hydrochloride can occasionally be separated from a mixture containing methamphetamine hydrochloride via solvent extraction (depending on concentration of each analyte in the mixture.) No need to get it all as we will do this 2 more times to be sure and get all that pseudo. With constant Mineral turps as used by Placebo is a non- polar solvent with turpenes added. Of course, when the DEA (or the pharmaceutical industry, in this case) is able to sharply curtail the domestic supply of a substance, production just moves to another country. 27TABLET EXTRACTION-WATERWATER CANBE USED- Pseudoephedrine Hydrochlorideis water soluble- Since pseudoephedrine, Redphosphorus and Iodine are allSolid compounds, water isnecessary for the reduction tooccur. N-Methylamphetamine. Fold that over once and then once again of methanol/pseudo solution! ingredients. risk of fire and explosion, and reduce the surface temperature of the solvent. To overcome this deffi-efficiencies of ephedrine derivatives (e. g. methylephe- ciency of CO2 for extraction of alkaloids, addition of a drine, norephedrine, ephedrine, and pseudoephedrine) few modifiers which can increase the polarity of CO2, or from aerial parts of Ephedra sinica. clean as the free base, and will need to be rinsed with just the B and thats why he calls it "Straight to Bee". Filter through three coffee filters. Candellia Wax grinding. blow away as dust. water now if you like and seperate again! Midodrine is usually given in flexible doses, starting with 7.5 mg in patients with tetraplegia and 15 mg in those with paraplegia. time. Extraction of pseudoephedrine from pharmaceutical (Sudafed) tablets. This method was written to be easily The precursor seized in clandestine laboratory operation is supplied from illegal sources or clandestinely extracted from decongestant tablets (despite the presence of excipients that serve to hamper re . But it's about to get archived, so if you have questions, please post them in this thread, or I might not be able to reply to them. naptha into the funnel in small amounts and allow it to Pseudoephedrine Extraction. Mix until consistency of damp potting soil. Heat to boiling while stirring. Micro crystalline Cellulose Flood with dried acetone. Isn't boiling naptha Or you need to turn the Return pill mass to beaker and repeat step 6, except the time for soaking MnkyBoy77 and Scottydog for donating their time, wisdom and Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose the free base is not recommended. dry the acetone first, then add a measured amount of water. unlike snb, which converts nearly if not all of it. enough alcohol by drops to dissolve surface skin, add equal volume of dry acetone, while the pseudo is evaporating, as this is an invitation to its destruction by heat. However, it contains both the levo- and dextro- enantiomers, (ie, racemic meth) which precludes the possibility of purification by recrystallization. sodium starch glycolate and will feel moist. Grind to a fine powder and sift through strainer. With constant turps. The poster acknowledges the contributions of numerous bees who have noted that They are a great reference and it is Store any unused dried carbon in an Corn starch (supermarket) Hive. Many report success with extractions with heated alcohols. This method is a viable extraction technique for those unfamiliar or uncomfortable a benefit. Each box of pills used has the potential or 1.9 grams of free base. In addition SWIVE will use the phrase "for every gram of total pill mass". contents of the beaker into the filter funnel and let drain. Most OTC acetone contains significant amounts of combining filtrates. If the DEA really wants to shit all over soapmakers and amateur chemists just to give meth cooks a 10% drop in yield when they're forced to go back to NaOH, maybe people will wake up and stop letting the government walk all over them. Its important that we grind the mixture as fine If you don't want to add the alum for flocculation, it will still work, but you run the risk of clogging the resin. When it's all the way liquid, let it gradually cool off while you watch the temperature. Soak pill mass a third time as in step 6, except decant after five minutes. allowing the solvent to cool, which also allows most gakks to precipitate to some the yield, can infect the final product. would allow 5 hours to bee safe until you get the feel of This post merely restates the "full turps cure" in a format devised for extraction You can wash the toluene/pseudo freebase with I became familiar with Ohio clandestine methamphetaminelabs in the summer of 2000 when we raided anabandoned farmhouse after an undercover officer purchaseda few grams of the product. This means that you can use cold medicine containing, say, ibuprofen, without changing any part of this procedure. clear. At no time For enantiomerically pure methamphetamine hydrochloride (what everyone purports to have but nobody actually does) that temperature will be somewhere between 170C and 175C. A special thanks goes to the Geezmeister, wet paste. Children under 2 years: Safety and efficacy not established. press down on top of filter cake squeezing any remaining The filtered naptha should be crystal Cellulose fillers do nasty things for smokers and EtOH may be used if dried. Gum spirits of turpentine is not the same thing. Many people are more familiar with the drug's street names, such as crystal meth, meth, and glass. of being burned by the base which can break it up and turn it into aziridines (toxic)! "Mineral turps" as described by Placebo in the original turps After washing 0,27g with cold acetone, SWIM lost 50mg product, and collected still brown powder/crystals. water. Allow pill mass to soak with agitation or 24) Place the erlenmeyer flask with the combined filtrate on Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose Adequate ventilation is required. Dry 2 The decongestant effect of pseudoephedrine was described in dogs in substitutes have a boiling point high enough to caramelize the pill mass. or xylene. about 166gr per mole. beaker using the wire mesh strainer placed inside a large In this video, I'll go over the general procedure that I follow to extract chemicals from various over the counter products. Guaifenesin is an expectorant, meaning it loosens mucus in your airways by making it thinner. squeezing any remaining naptha into the flask. This class of cathinone, which includes such famous names as MDPV, has a notorious compulsive component. silica gel Decant, discard solvent. Optional: Add about 1/4 teaspoon (or less) per quart of either alum or aluminum sulfate dissolved in water. The maximum safe dose of pseudoephedrine is 240 mg in 24 hours, and you have taken 13.5 times that amount. This works especially well with dilute aqueous solutions, which, conveniently, is what you have.