However, for an all around good hunting rifle, an 18 barrel is the most popular option for 6.5 Grendel. Many shooters opt for a 16 barrel if they dont plan on shooting past 500 yards or theyll prefer a 26 barrel for mile shots or long range shooting. You forgot one, the 1895 .405 Winchester. Anything above a 26 barrel for 6.5 Grendel doesnt make much sense statistically. Winchester released the .350 Legend at the 2019 SHOT Show. Both are 36 caliber bullets (listed as 0.357, with variance), but one has much higher powder volume, chamber pressure, and initial energy. The first is impact velocity and the second is the minimum energy threshold. Enter the 350 Legend. The best barrel length for 9mm is 7 inches based on percentage increases of velocity per barrel inch. The nominal rim diameter is identical as well, but the 350 Legend does not use the 5.56 as its parent case like the 300 Blackout. The 350 Legend is 80 percent more powerful than a .357 Magnum and is effective on deer twice as far away. I will use the cheap fmj for small game and coyotes, and a good 180-grain load for deer hunting. Some mistakenly consider it light for deer, but its an ideal short-range whitetail cartridge thatll shoot much more accurately than any slug. Learn how your comment data is processed. But you have to know exactly what distance the deer is at. The cartridge is comparable in size to a .223 Remington yet has a case length that falls within most state's legal parameters. It measures just 35 inches long and weighs in at just six pounds. A revolver has no safetys to manipulate during a VERY high stress situation such as a bear attack and not all 1911s have ambidextrous controls should your gun hand be injured. Might be easier to pick up a used 357 Max barrel or convert a 357 Mag barrel. Might be easier to pick up a used 357 Max barrel or convert a 357 Mag barrel. The manufacture remains the king of the extreme long range game. The Best Barrel Length for 350 Legend AR Pistol Youd need a level 3+ armor for that, the same rating as for .308. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'guntradition_com-leader-3','ezslot_12',114,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-3-0');If you are considering body armor, I own and recommend the level 3+steel armor kit from RTS tactical. The manufacture remains the king of the extreme long range game. The 350 Legend is a fascinating cartridge. And actually, I've always maintained that if I had to choose a .357 Magnum or a .44 in a rifle, I'd choose .357 every-time. The fact is, the 357 Magnum is considered a pistol round. A carbine is most commonly any barrel length less than 18 inches and greater than 10 inches. This is still allowed as far as I know at the time of this writing. Browning makes a 124-grain load going 2500 fps. Personally I prefer to conceal my 3.5 inch barrel 9mm single stack in my waistband. In fact, after 14 inches, velocity started to decrease most of the time. It would be easily duplicated with the Winchester 350 legend. The best barrel length for a 357 Magnum revolver is 8 and 3/8 inches because that length allows for decent velocity combined with portability. All Rights Reserved. You might call it a For the most part, the straight-wall cartridge has been obsolete for more than 100 years. A box of .357 Mag. This gun features the Ruger Marksman Adjustable trigger, allowing for adjustments on the pull between three and five pounds. The 350 has a lighter kick than a 243 or 30-30! Common Causes and What Can be Done to Prevent It, Why a Glock Will Stovepipe: Failure to Eject Issues Resolved, Which Revolver Is Most Powerful? Ill quickly cover what barrel length makes a firearm a rifle, SBR, or pistol and then cover the best barrel lengths for some of the most popular calibers and their different use cases. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - .357 Magnum rifle versus .350 Legend SBR. The .350 Legend is no better. Both work well within their effective range. if you look at a 180-grain bullet for both the 350 and .357, you will see that the .350 has a flat blunt nose, while the 350 is longer and pointed. You've only seen one page. In short, your barrel has to be 16 or longer and the entire length of the rifle must be at least 26 to be a rifle. Although some people prefer 10 or 12 inch barrels, the shorter barrels may require a faster twist rate to stabilize the bullet, where as the longer barrels dont. Which one does NOT use pistol bullets? The best barrel length for a 5.56mm rifle is 14.5 to ensure full powder burn. WebThe 350 Legend is arguably over twice as effective on deer-sized game than a rifle chambered in .357 Magnum. At a distance less than 400 yards a 16 to 18 inch barrel would be ideal. A compact lever gun in .44 Magnum is an excellent walking-around whitetail rifle in any state. Cwlongshot Cast Bullet Guy Supporter Joined Jan 17, 2014 Messages 13,606 Likes 47,945 Location WebThe 357 mag made for an excellent self-defense round for many years, and countless people still carry it for self-defense today. But the self-contained centerfire cartridge advanced into the 20th century, and cartridge cases shaped like those of the .30-30 Winchester and .30-06 Springfield became the norm. I really wish someone should make a 357 Maximum lever action. After all, the military chose the 14.5 inch barrel for the 5.56 round for a reason. I wasnt impressed, I think the difference was like 100 to 200 ft/sec. Winchester is even offering a more affordable non-hunting practice load in its USA line. In general though, a majority of AR pistols are between 10.5 and 14.5 inches. Its loaded with a flat-tipped, 165-grain FMJ bullet. The minimum impact velocity for the .357 Magnum is somewhere between 1,200 and 1,000 fps, depending on the particular bullet. However many 357 Mag revolvers and handguns will have a 6 barrel length and many rifles are between 16 to 20 inches. However, 8 and even 7 barrels are very popular in 300 blackout pistols with the use of subsonic ammunition and a suppressor. Most 45-70 guns can explode as they are not ment for the pressure of hot 45-70. Barrels longer than 22 show no real improvement over the 18-20 barrels. The chamber in the 350 Legend allows for a longer, more drawn-out bullet profile. Short barreled rifles are subject to the NFA and require a tax stamp, which costs about $200 right now. I consider both cartridges to be very similar ballisticaly. If the firearm wont be suppressed and the goal is more distance shooting, then a 14.5 inch barrel is better suited for a 5.56 SBR. The best barrel length for a hunting rifle is between 22-26 depending on caliber and powder burn rate. In fact, I only got one because of that. WebThe 350 Legend is 10 percent more powerful and has 25 percent more velocity at the muzzle than 44 Magnum. Change over to a 200 gr bullet, keep the 0.385" seating depth and QL predictions go from around 1770 fps for the magnum case, around 2100 for the max case and around 2170 fps for the 350L case. Any barrels longer than 14 inches will not produce much more velocity and may even reduce velocity of a 10mm. The numbers tell us just what can be expected from this new kid on the block (see the chart above). The 30/30 usually shoots either 150 or 170-grain bullets. Generally, and more than most shooters can take in a revolver, the .44 Magnum makes an ideal straight-wall cartridge for deer hunters. Anything above 4 inches of barrel length, the 357 magnum would be preferred as the velocity is greater. The best barrel length for a 6.5 Creedmoor hunting rifle is 20 inches. Anything above a 20 barrel in 5.56 isnt much of an improvement. If you want a bolt action or AR15, or if your going to buy factory ammo, then 350 legend then 350 legend is it. Its unethical to shoot an animal if you know its not a sure shot. It can be used not only on deer, but elk and bears. The .350 Legend loads that normally reach 2,200 to 2,300 feet per second manage between 1,500 and 1,800 fps out of the Model 350s 7.5-inch barrel. Barrel lengths between 10-14 are best for portability in close quarters, and 20 barrels are best if your goal is long range shooting. Everything I said up there about the .357 holds just as true for the .44 Magnum. It should be a hit in states previously allowing only shotguns. The best barrel length for a 458 SOCOM is 16 to achieve maximum powder burn and muzzle velocity. The 350 Legend will punch through it with every ammo available. Thats why I recommend the 180 grain for both cartridges. Winchester designed the cartridge from the ground up. Increasing the barrel length to a 34 barrel or more may gain the round an extra 200 fps and is ideal for those wanting to reach past 1000 yards. The .357 Mag falls quite short of that. WebThe 350 Legend is essentially a long pistol round using pistol powder so 16 tends to be optimal. WebThe 350 Legend is 10 percent more powerful and has 25 percent more velocity at the muzzle than 44 Magnum. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. The best barrel length for a 12 gauge shotgun is 26 inches for a versatile and balanced shotgun. The compact 16.38-inch barrel has a 1:16 rate of twist. The best barrel length for a 357 Magnum Rifle is 16 for the round to reach maximum velocity. I give a lower figure as a more practical minimum energy. You can get 44 magnums in rifles, carbines and pistols plus specials which are powderpuff loads and both can be used as self defense on two legged abs four legged animals. -The recoil of the 45 Colt is much less than that of the .357 Magnum, making it more The 350 Legend also uses the same .346 bore and .355 groove dimensions as 357 Mag and 357 Max. .350 Legend is 55,000 and headspaces on that tiny piece of metal we call case mouth. The best barrel length for 6.5 Creedmoor long range shooting is 28 inches, however, many shooters dont see much difference between 28 and 26 and will opt for the lighter, more popular, 26 inch barrel for precision rifle shooting (PRS). WebAssuming you can handle each equally well, A .357 Mag has more energy, better penetration and with the proper bullet better expansion. Same parameters as above, gets around 2200 fps from the max case and around 2300 fps from a 350L case. The best barre length for a 44 Magnum revolver is 6 for a good balance between weight and muzzle velocity. Even though a 20 barrel is best for long distance, really consider if thats all you want to use that rifle for. The 350 Legend is a fascinating cartridge. The best barrel length for a 350 Legend AR pistol is 10.5 inches. The best barrel length for a suppressed 22lr is 14 inches for a mostly clean burn of the powder or 10 inches for increased portability. The reason a lot of 22lr barrels are 22 to 26 inches is because the added sight radius and balancing is worth the extra weight of the longer barrels. The 158-grain bullets have less drop at 100 yards because they are going about 200 fps more at the muzzle, but it has less penetration at 100 yards because the bullet has a lower sectional density and ballistic coefficient. Since I live in Lewiston, Idaho, I get the opportunity to use that rifle. Compared to to .357 Magnum hunting loads, the 350 Legend tends to be faster, more powerful, and deliver straighter trajectories. Once the powder is burned up in the barrel, any extra barrel length can decrease velocity at the muzzle. It was also partly because few rifle manufacturers got behind the cartridge. For longer range shooting, a 16 barrel or longer will be better to suppress depending on caliber and distance. that means that even if you could get the same velocities using 180 grain bullets, the 350 Legend would still noticeably outperform the .357 Mag after 100 yards. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. If the pistol is going to be suppressed, 7 or 8 inches of barrel length tends to work best, while shooters who prefer a little more range may opt for a 10 to 14 inch barrel. The 4 barrels are great for carrying, but the longer barrel offer better sight radius and velocity. Any barrel length above 18 will not significantly improve velocity. That means more muzzle energy and momentum than the .357 with a bigger hole, and with similar trajectory. The argument can be made that the Ruger American rifle is one of the most popular guns in Michigan, Indiana and Ohio right now. For distances above 500 yards, a 22 or longer rifle barrel is best. Then Ill put a 5 inch barrel 9mm holstered on the hip if I feel like having more ammo capacity. Most commonly Short barreled rifles have barrel lengths between 7 and 16 inches with the most popular barrel length being 11.5 inches or 9 inches depending on caliber used. Hunters felt the push when they pulled the trigger, and the deer felt the whack when the bullet hit home. The best barrel length for 6.5 Grendel is 16 for an all around decent rifle. Hornady (the designer of the cartridge) said the round will perform well in barrel lengths ranging from 12 to 26 inches and all in between. For .450 Bushmaster and .444 Marlin, youre looking at $41 to $49 per box, and .45-70 Govt. With almost every type of 9mm ammo I used, the percentage increase of velocity after 7 drops significantly. The most popular carbine barrel lengths are 9 inches, 11.5 inches, or 16 inches depending on caliber used. Hornadys 170-grain American Whitetail soft-point load, for example, managed 1,551 feet per second out of the Model 350 as compared to 2,200 feet per second from a rifle barrel. Doubletap offers a similar loading, and the LeverEvolution loads from Hornady shoot flat enough to make hitting at 250 yards uncomplicated. Sure .44 hits hard, but that's a lot to do with the mass of the bullet over how fast it's going. The best barrel length for 6.5 Grendel for hunting is an 18 or 20 inch barrel. Many 22lr rifles were intended to be shot with iron sights, so having an extra 10 inches between the front and rear sights made the shooter a lot more accurate. Using the same weight bullet, the 350 Legend will work out to 240 yards. the biggest difference for me is that there is cheap fmj ammo available for the 350. How To eFile Using ATF eForms: Instructions and Examples. We are compensated for referring traffic and business to Amazon and other companies linked to on this site. You have entered an incorrect email address! The 350 Legend will shoot deer much farther and has better bullets available. I know no one likes that answer but I just wouldnt shoot 5.56 out of a 7 inch barrel, but 9mm I would. Lets talk about that for a second. The speeds are also there. The .350 Legend is no better. comparing similar 180-grain bullets, it has more initial energy and more expected velocity in 16-inch barrels. The best barrel length for a hunting revolver is 8 and 3/8 for many hunting calibers. While deer hunters have adjusted to this kind of hunting, many of us have been left green with envy at the hunters who could use centerfire rifles to reach out to longer ranges. Also forgetting the .450 marlin. For .450 Bushmaster and .444 Marlin, youre looking at $41 to $49 per box, and .45-70 Govt. Not to good for hunting. If hunting at ranges less than 300 yards then a shorter barrel between 16-20 will work better. Therefore, bullets exit the muzzle at approximately .355 when fired from any of those three cartridges. Humans have a way of working around legislation: Give us a rule, law or guideline, and well find a way to circumvent it. Regardless of the cartridge/rifle combination you pick, you should experience better accuracy and reach than you have with your smooth-bore. ( Should you buy one, I will earn a small commission). Bottom line: Pick the one you like the best. Interesting length choice as that is the case length of a 460 S&W, which the law at one point read "traditional straight wall pistol cartridge." The .350 Legend loads that normally reach 2,200 to 2,300 feet per second manage between 1,500 and 1,800 fps out of the Model 350s 7.5-inch barrel. And actually, I've always maintained that if I had to choose a .357 Magnum or a .44 in a rifle, I'd choose .357 every-time. This is exactly why the .350 Legend exists. However, for precision rifle shooting (PRS) 24 to 26 inch barrels will generate higher muzzle velocities. He has earned black belts in four martial arts and is a certified Krav Maga instructor. The 3 barrel loses too much velocity and energy but is easier to conceal. In a single shot I would be happy with either. The best barrel length for a 270 WIN is 22-24 for the optimal ratio of length vs velocity. The 350 Legend is arguably over twice as effective on deer-sized game than a rifle chambered in .357 Magnum. A .45-70 is 2.105". The speeds are also there. Is TC producing a 350 Legend barrel? This is partly because it was designed from the ground up for that purpose but also because its compatible with Americas Rifle, the AR-15. This sounds very similar to an SBR because it essentially is except the SBR has a stock instead of a brace. The longer barrels will help accuracy because the shooter will have greater sight radius. that means dont just read the ballistic charts, but get out there and shoot. Short barreled rifles can have any barrel length less than 16 inches to be considered an SBR. The American Rifle also comes with a generous recoil pad to help with that. The added velocity of the longer 26-28 barrels are only needed if the shooter has long arms and wants the extra length. However, barrels as short as 22 can be used to hunt bird successfully. This cartridge has become extremely popular for older hunters and youth hunters for that reason. The best barrel length for 280 AI is 28 to accommodate the slower burning powder and heavier bullet. I hardly even notice its there. Based on all my study and field experience, I give 750 ft/lbs as the reliable minimum bullet energy. Handgun and revolver type pistols most commonly have barrel lengths between 3 and 7 inches, while AR and AK style pistols will most commonly have barrel lengths between 7 and 16 inches. -The recoil of the 45 Colt is much less than that of the .357 Magnum, making it more According to that, the .357 Mag should never be used. It is a true joy to shoot, and you'll be more accurate because of it. The 350 is a great round for deer hunting, and shooters seldom report needing to use a muzzle brake on a 350 Legend rifle. If youre interested, I have an article detailing the ballistics of 350 Legend with various barrel lengths. 14-16 barrels are generally considered best for an all purpose rifle chambered in 5.56. Andget thisit can be fired in any .375 Winchester rifle or any .38-55 designed to be used with smokeless powder. However, many shooters prefer the portability of the 20 barrel since it doesnt sacrifice much in terms of distance and velocity. Barrels as short as 10.5 are commonly used as brush guns or for close quarter scenarios using the AR platform. Many people even prefer using a barrel as short as 9 for 350 Legend since you only lose about 240 feet per second when compared to a 16 barrel. Sometimes I get to thinking about this or that, and lately .357 Magnum carbine versus .350 Legend AR has caught my eye. My #1Ruger can use 400gr bullets at 2100 fps. It would be easily duplicated with the Winchester 350 legend. Many people get around this by not attaching buttstock to the firearm, effectively making the firearm a pistol instead. Its essentially the same as .357 Magnumon steroidswhich means itll stretch out the range to about 100 or 150 yards (roughly the same as the .450 Bushmaster). The tang safety is easy to access and operate. However, most 10mm ARs perform well with 8 to 10 barrels. Enter the 350 Legend. Bullet selection might swing me toward the Max I would be getting an MGM barrel. As you can see in the chart above, theres not much benefit to velocity with barrels above 16 to 18 inches. For .450 Bushmaster and .444 Marlin, youre looking at $41 to $49 per box, and .45-70 Govt. The 350 has a lighter kick than a 243 or 30-30! I tend to be a bit old school and would probably go with the .45-70 Govt. Mag. Of course, youll have a shorter effective range to use the firearm but for home defense youll rarely need to get past 50 yards. The fast burning powder gives more velocity out of the shorter barrel. The best barrel length for a 300 blackout pistol is 9 to achieve maximum velocity and powder burn in the shortest length barrel. I first was interested in .350 Legend (although I do not hunt), but no longer. It will shoot a bit flatter than the .45-70 Government or .444 Marlin. Sign up for daily stories delivered to your inbox. In other words, it slows down and drops a lot. Check out this post which is one of the most popular of all time. The low bullet mass is [26 U.S.C. Its also spawned a new cartridge (humans will always find a way to use the law to their advantage). The velocity gains approach full rifle levels, and this .350 Legend seems to take that a little further still. Originally conceived by the late Elgin Gates and called the .357 SuperMag, the new round was very straightforward. That gives plenty of velocity and allows for longer range shots while still letting the rifle remain fairly portable. COPYRIGHT 2023, WOMG. A 24 barrel will add an extra 120 fps compared to 16 but is not considered enough extra velocity to warrant the added barrel length. This rifle is a tack driver that will get the job done on that big buck this season. The 350 Legend has a slightly higher Ballistic Coefficient which means it takes longer to slow down than the 44 Mag. For reference, a 450 Bushmaster has a case length of 1.7" and a 350 Legend is 1.71". This cartridge has become extremely popular for older hunters and youth hunters for that reason. -The recoil of the 45 Colt is much less than that of the .357 Magnum, making it more Many hunters will opt to add a suppressor to an 18 6.5 Creedmoor rifle or just go with a 20 inch rifle for hunting. A lot of people like to add a suppressor especially since the intended use is probably indoors. The vitals zone on a deer is about 8 inches wide. Don't miss a story! Save my name and email to use for future comments. is more comparable to the .350 Legend, but youre losing power and velocity. The question is, Which straight-wall cartridge is best? This cartridge has become extremely popular for older hunters and youth hunters for that reason. Barrels above 20 inches for 5.56 have diminishing returns and are not worth the extra barrel length. The best barrel length to suppress is 10.5 for 5.56 and 8 for 300 Blackout if the goal is shortest barrel length that still performs well suppressed. -The 45 Colt is a slower moving round than the .357 Magnum, which makes it more effective at close range. The 350 Legend also uses the same .346 bore and .355 groove dimensions as 357 Mag and 357 Max. The 270 WIN doesnt have the powder capacity to warrant the longer barrels. Hornady's 165-grain FTX Customs are doing 2,200-fps and are hitting with 1,773-foot pounds of energy. If that happens, the .350 Legend will, in truth, be little more than a legend. The 350 Legend is very much like the 30/30 in energy, velocity, and down-range ballistics. The 350 is a great round for deer hunting, and shooters seldom report needing to use a muzzle brake on a 350 Legend rifle. The 450 marlin, gun and ammo were made for the abuse. Introduced in 1978, Winchesters .375 was designed specifically for its Model 94 lever-action rifle. see more at [ 1] *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. If you hunt in one of the states now allowing straight-wall rifle cartridges for deer, it might be a good idea to pick up a new rifle. In fact, Ive used that load to take two African buffalo. Advantages of the 45 Colt: -The 45 Colt has a larger bullet diameter than the .357 Magnum, which means it can create a larger wound channel. Theres nothing wrong with shooting within 100 yards. It really does depend what you plan on hunting. Yes, by modern standards, those numbers are anemic, but modern .45-70 loadsin modern .45-70 riflesturn the .45-70 into a cartridge of another order.